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Subject: Jehovas Witness
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unquiet1 29.01.11 - 06:44pm
i wonder why these ppl got deleted *
halman 26.03.11 - 05:36pm
Well done tsi for being balanced and not an uninformed finger wagger.I find many professed christians to be more like the Pharisees in their attitude when it comes to condemning Jehovah's Witnesses' beliefs.Glad you pointed out about not listening to lies and basically, misinformation.
Who defines a cult? Who decides what is true doctrine? - ''Let God be found true...'' - Romans 3:4. As for the Bible,it isn't at fault. Any fault lies with certain renderings of scripture by translators biased by dogma *
guapum 1.08.11 - 03:09am
Jehovah's Witnesses deny the orthodox teaching of the Trinity. But rather Jesus Christ Is a spirit creature god under Jehovah God. Also that Jesus Is Michael the Arc angel. They teach that Jesus was crucified not on cross beams, but a torture stake. They say that the cross Is pagan. (Pagan Romans crucified Christ btw) They do not believe in an immortal soul hence they do not believe in the doctrine of eternal hell, but rather hell as mentioned in Scripture Is our common grave. Only 144,000 faithful Jehovah's witnesse will receive heaven. The rest shall inherit the earth. The wicked shall be wiped from exsistance as if they had never been born. The Watchtower and Bible Tract Society Is revered by witnesses as God's sole authoritive organization on earth, and every thing that the society publishes Is to be considered truthful and equal with Scripture if not more reliable. Challenging these views will result in disfellowship or excommunication. Many other such false teachings permiate within the Watchtower. *
guapum 1.08.11 - 03:09am
Jehovah's Witnesses deny the orthodox teaching of the Trinity. But rather Jesus Christ Is a spirit creature god under Jehovah God. Also that Jesus Is Michael the Arc angel. They teach that Jesus was crucified not on cross beams, but a torture stake. They say that the cross Is pagan. (Pagan Romans crucified Christ btw) They do not believe in an immortal soul hence they do not believe in the doctrine of eternal hell, but rather hell as mentioned in Scripture Is our common grave. Only 144,000 faithful Jehovah's witnesse will receive heaven. The rest shall inherit the earth. The wicked shall be wiped from exsistance as if they had never been born. The Watchtower and Bible Tract Society Is revered by witnesses as God's sole authoritive organization on earth, and every thing that the society publishes Is to be considered truthful and equal with Scripture if not more reliable. Challenging these views will result in disfellowship or excommunication. Many other such false teachings permiate within the Watchtower. *
unquiet1 2.08.11 - 10:23pm
guapum, you're spreading half truths about Witnesses.
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unquiet1 2.08.11 - 10:35pm
The Cross
According to Greek scholar W. E. Vine, the word 'stauros'.. ''denotes, primarily, an upright pale or stake. On such malefactors were nailed for execution. Both the noun and the verb, stauroo, to fasten to a stake or pale, are originally to be distinguished from the ecclesiastical form of a two beamed cross.'' *
unquiet1 2.08.11 - 10:37pm
The Imperial Bible-Dictionary says that the word stauros ''properly signified a stake, an upright pole, or piece of paling, on which anything might be hung, or which might be used in impaling a piece of ground.'' The dictionary continues: ''Even amongst the Romans the crux (Latin, from which our cross is derived) appears to have been originally an upright pole.'' *
unquiet1 2.08.11 - 10:38pm
Thats why, it is not surprising that The Catholic Encyclopedia says: ''Certain it is, at any rate, that the cross originally consisted of a simple vertical pole, sharpened at its upper end.'' *
unquiet1 2.08.11 - 10:44pm
About Hell
The word ''hell'' is an Old English word that was used to translate several words found in the Hebrew and Greek m cripts. What words was it translated from? And why did they choose to use the Old English word ''hell'' as a translation? We shall see that it had absolutely nothing to do with scholarship, but everything to do with forcing pagan religion into the teachings of Jesus Christ. You dont have to take my word for it; you will be able to judge for yourself as i go through it. *
unquiet1 2.08.11 - 10:45pm
Here are the words for which 'hell' was inserted as a 'translation' into English:
from the Hebrew word 'sheol' (31 times)
from the Greek word 'gehenna' (12 times)
from the Greek word 'hades' (10 times)
from the Greek word 'tartarus' (1 time) *
unquiet1 2.08.11 - 10:48pm
We know for a fact that the Hebrew word sheol is translated 'hell' 31 times in the KJV of the Bible. BUT, we also know for a fact that the same Hebrew word 'sheol' is translated 'grave' 31 times in the KJV Bible.
Why is this?
Why should this be?
Why is there a 50/50 split on the translation of this word?
Ask any priest or your pastor if the words 'grave' and 'hell' mean the very same thing in the Bible, and see what they will say. They will tell you, NO, that they are NOT the same, that they are very much different.
Then I have a question for them all: 'Why, oh, why then are both ''hell'' and ''grave'' translations of the very same Hebrew word, ''sheol''? Which should it be? *
unquiet1 2.08.11 - 10:55pm
oh by the way, both sheol and hades refer to THE COMMON GRAVE of mankind. Bible hell means the grave. thats why upright ppl go to Bible hell (Jesus and Job). but Bible hell is different from the hellfire torment taught by Christendom. to see a deep, thorough and clear, Bible based discussion/explanation Hell have a look or join my group called 'Should-You-Fear-Hell' *
unquiet1 2.08.11 - 11:02pm
oh and get your bible and follow along in Psalm 37:9-11 ''For evildoers themselves will be cut off, But those hoping in Jehovah are the ones that will possess the earth.
10 And just a little while longer, and the wicked one will be no more; And you will certainly give attention to his place, and he will not be.
11 But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth,
And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.'' *
unquiet1 2.08.11 - 11:05pm
does that not say that 'The wicked shall be wiped from exsistance as if they had never been born.'? *
unquiet1 2.08.11 - 11:08pm
oh yeah it also said they 'will inherit the earth' have a look at Psalm 37:29 ''The righteous themselves will possess the earth, And they will reside forever upon it.''
wot does your Bible say at the Psalm 37 in the verses 9-11 and 29? *
unquiet1 2.08.11 - 11:19pm
you said..'..every thing that the society publishes Is to be considered truthful and equal with Scripture if not more reliable'
thats false! Witnesses know nothing is equal or more reliable than Gods Word the Bible. oh and reverence?? where did you get that idea from? read Matthew 4:10 '..It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to Him alone you must render sacred service.' *
unquiet1 2.08.11 - 11:26pm
In the last 125 years, Jehovahs Witnesses have published literally millions of words in publications such as The Watchtower. This includes powerful arguments against atheism and the theory of evolution, eloquent defences of the Bible as the inspired word of God, articles upholding the Bibles stance on moral issues such as abortion, fornication, adultery and immoral lifestyles. Watchtower publications have long exhorted their readers to display Christian qualities and imitate Jesus. They have shown how applying the Bibles counsel can benefit family life.
Through The Watchtower, millions of people have been comforted by the Bibles message of hope. And we as Jehovahs Witnesses choose to follow the direction we get because after careful study we can identify true religion. keep in mind most Witnesses come from other churches. *
unquiet1 2.08.11 - 11:30pm
oh and if a priest came to church 1 day and started teaching that Jesus is just a prophet and is not the Son of God. do you think the church would give him a promotion? or give him the sack? *
guapum 20.08.11 - 06:25am
Sorry Unquiet1 those are not half truths but Truths, Jw's are wolves in sheep's clothing, the New World Translation Is Scholarly refuted and laughable when read in Greek, thats why Greek speaking Jw's NWT does not say that The Word was 'a god' like your english translation, it says that the Word was God In greek translations of the NWT, because there Is just not denying the Greek there. Jesus Is YHWH. Charles T. Russel and Judge Ruthaford made hundreds of failed predicitions and prophecies why claiming to be the representitives of God's Organization (DUETERONMY 18:20) C T. Russel even used the cross and crown (York Rite Masonic Templar symbol) as symbols and insignias on early Watchtower publications, even on his gravestone (Which Is a Masonic pyramid, Russel was a Freemason) Can be seen the symbols. Every JW's I have met Is for the most part completely ignorant of the socities history and founders histories, Russel was a follower of Millerite Adventist theologicaly. He borrowed hevily from them. *
guapum 20.08.11 - 06:49am
On to your statement about the cross and the word Saturos, first off, Saturos can be applied to cross beams or a vertical stake, the cross of Christ Is also refered to as the tree, does that mean that Romans nailed Him to a Ceader then? No. JW's say that the Cross Is Pagan. Who Crucified Christ? ROMANS!!! PAGANS!!! Far be it from Pagans to use Pagan death instruments to carry out their exacutions huh!?? History refutes your socities claims, Archeologists have found the tomb of a crucified man from first century Judea, the cross beams Is the method used by the Romans. Sure, the vertical stake was in the ground but Christ was lead through the streets of Jerusalem with the horizontal beam bound to His arms and on His sholders, upon reaching Golgotha this horizontal beam was then fixed to the vertical, Christ suffered the five extremes of the cross. He hung upon the cross for three hours!!! Which would not have been possible with a vertical stake alone with His arms out streched over His head and then nailed. *
guapum 20.08.11 - 07:13am
If Jesus Christ were Crucified in the manner the Watchtower claims, He would have died of suffication within 45 mins to an hour. And then the Bible would be wrong (It's Not), because it upholds that Christ hung on the cross for three hours. That time frame given by Scripture Is then only possible with a saturos of crossed beams. The Watchtower fails! the Bible says that the Sign placed opon the cross bearing INRI which Is Jesus King Of The Jews also written in Greek and in Hebrew, WAS PLACED ABOVE HIS HEAD!!! now look at the Watchtower's artistic rendation of Christ's Crufifixtion, The sign would have to be above His hands, and not His head since His arms would then be above His head. The Watchtower and Bible Tract Society Is a synogouge of satan and you have bought into their falsehood. Stop letting men dictate God's Word for you and tell you whats what. You have been decieved, I know the History of the Church, from the do you know your organization's history? Let God be True and every man a liar! *
unquiet1 21.08.11 - 11:49pm
first you go on about the new world translation. Heres the thing.... The New world Translation only got finish in 1984. were there no Jehovahs Witnesses befor 1984? Wot were they using? Wot you fail to realize is that Witnesses are comfortable with ANY translation. Whether its kjv or tev or wotever. We dont need to stick to 1 particular translation like those kjv-only folks. The New World Translation has got Gods name Jehovah put back into all its right places. And putting Jehovah back into the bible just destroys this false idea that Jesus is God. Thats why many Trinitarian scholars are trying their best to discredit the New World Translation. *
unquiet1 21.08.11 - 11:51pm
And then you go on about Charles Russell... you dont know much about Witnesses do you? Unlike many organizations we dont put emphasis on ppl but only on the bible. Witnesses only follow the bibles teachings. We respect Russell, he started Bible Students. But we are Jehovahs Witnesses. Many changes and adjustments happened to make sure the organization with Gods name was in line with His word the bible. And because of this quite a number didnt like the changes and decided to stay as Bible Students. The Bible students organization is still around today you might wanna google them and share your feelings about Russell with them... *
unquiet1 21.08.11 - 11:53pm
Hundreds of failed predictions and prophecies?? Are you sure? Or are you just saying hundreds in an effort to discredit Witnesses? Can you pin point to 100? Tell me something how many false predictions have the protestant leaders made? (3 fingers pointing back at you buddy) it would be quite fun to discuss your claims with you in more detail.
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unquiet1 21.08.11 - 11:57pm
then you said '' JW's say that the Cross Is Pagan. Who Crucified Christ? ROMANS!!! PAGANS!!! Far be it from Pagans to use Pagan death instruments to carry out their exacutions huh!?? ''
... why oh why do ppl fail to THINK before regurgitating wot they find online. the cross is pagan it is used for PAGAN WORSHIP not pagan crucifixion! 
i dont know where you get that idea that they used the instrument of worship to torture ppl. It was not as instrument of torture as you think. The STAKE was used as a instrument of torture while the cross was used in worship(by the pagans). It was used in pagan worship and when the church wanted pagans to convert... The pagan things were absorbed into 'christianity'
And its not just a Jehovahs Witnesses claim, the church admits it. ''Certain it is, at any rate, that the cross originally consisted of a simple vertical pole, sharpened at its upper end.'' says The Catholic Encyclopedia. *
unquiet1 21.08.11 - 11:58pm
And then ofcourse theres the origin of the cross... From ancient Egyptians to the Babylonians it was the symbol of pagan worship. Yes the cross comes from pagan worship. And it will never be part of true worship. Ppl can try their hardest to try harm the reputation and call Witnesses a satanist org for not using a pagan symbol as part of our worship to Jehovah God, but we still wont use it. Why? Because its pagan. *
guapum 27.08.11 - 05:08pm
Celts used a type of cross in druidic practices to represent the four cardinal directions, and to represent summer and winter equinox, Not Romans dear. I don't hang on mans direction for truth, but God's. I will post the Watchtowers failed prophecies here soon for you, btw, it only takes one failed prophecy in the Name of the LORD to be a false prophet. I will get back with you soon If God permits. As of now I am off to work and pressed for time. *
unquiet1 27.08.11 - 06:20pm
No! let me give you a bit of history about your cross.
Long before Jesus was even born, crosses were used by the ancient Babylonians as symbols in their worship of the fertility god Tammuz. The use of the cross spread into Egypt, India, Syria, and China. Then, centuries later, the Israelites adulterated their worship of Jehovah with acts of veneration to the false god Tammuz.
The Bible refers to this form of worship as a 'detestable thing.'(Ezekiel 8:13,14)
Significant is this comment in the book The Cross in Ritual, Architecture, and Art: ''It is strange, yet unquestionably a fact, that in ages long before the birth of Christ, and since then in lands untouched by the teaching of the Church, the Cross has been used as a sacred symbol.... The Greek Bacchus, the Tyrian Tammuz, the Chaldean Bel, and the Norse Odin, were all symbolised to their votaries by a cruciform device.''By G.S. Tyack, London, 1900, p.1.
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unquiet1 27.08.11 - 06:23pm
Constantines Cross
Constantine was the Roman emperor who convened the Council of Nicaea in 325C.E. and influenced it to adopt the unscriptural doctrine that Christ was God. He did this to solidify his empire of pagans and apostate Christians. Of him The New Encyclopdia Britannica says: 'On the eve of Constantine's victory over Maxentius in 312, he saw a vision of the 'heavenly sign' of the cross, which he believed to be a divine pledge of his triumph.'' It also says that thereafter Constantine promoted the veneration of the cross. *
unquiet1 27.08.11 - 06:26pm
The New Catholic Encyclopedia says: ''The representation of Christs redemptive death on Golgotha does not occur in the symbolic art of the first Christian centuries. The early Christians, influenced by the Old Testament prohibition of graven images, were reluctant to depict even the instrument of the Lords [death]. ... The cross comes to be represented in the time of Constantine.''
that my friend is the history about the cross. *
